【112】 原文中の（）内のページ表示は本誌ページです （和訳は１６年６月号２２８ページをご覧ください） RESPONSIBILITIES OF UN PARTNERS 　Senator Kefauver. Well, I agree with you certainly that each member of the United Nations ought to carry its share of the responsibility, and on that basis all of the nations ought to come in, and some who are in should send in larger forces. But I take it that it is important to keep those there and also to get in more, not only from the military viewpoint but from the viewpoint of opinion in the Far East and world opinion in this conflict. 　General MacArthur. I agree with you completely. 　Senator Kefauver. So that the effect of the operations that you have recommended, or that may be taken in the Far East upon the attitude of those associated with us would be one of the matters that should be considered among the political factors that go to make up the opinion as to what should be done. You would agree with that, I take it? 　General MacArthur. It is inherent. 　Senator Kefauver. Yes. 　General MacArthur. I will say this, though, Senator: that the relativity of authority in making international decisions should be based in some degree upon the responsibilities of the agents that carry it out. And if one nation carries 90 percent of the effort, it's quite inappropriate that nations that only carry a small fraction of the efforts and the responsibility should exercise undue authority upon the decisions that are made. 　Senator Kefauver. Yes. Well, I will agree with you, general, about that. IS CHIANG KAI-SHEK CAPABLE OF LEADERSHIP IN THE FAR EAST 　Senator Kefauver. General MacArthur, another theory has some circulation in this country, and that is as you stated in your magnificent address to the Congress that Asia has undergone a revolution in the past few weeks not only in China but in other parts of Asia; that they are looking for new kinds of leadership, et cetera. 　 （１６年６月号２２９ページ） 　A great many people in this country believe that in the eyes of other Asiatic peoples besides the Chinese, particularly the Indians, and other people in Asia, that Chiang Kai-shek is not in the high standing that he might be, and that if we joined in helping him invade the mainland of China, that all of the other people of Asia would turn even more against us than they have at the present time; that we actively in a land invasion of China. 　General MacArthur. The primary purposes----- 　Senator Kefauver. That is a political matter instead of purely a military one, but they are inextricably interwoven as you have said so clearly. 　General MacArthur. This is what I believe, Senator; I believe that to the average Asiatic Chiang Kai-shek stands out as the great symbol against communism. I believe that everyone opposed to communism has a sense of respect for the generalissimo in the Far East. Those that are inclined toward communism oppose him, completely and absolutely; but he does stand as a symbol of an invincible determination to resist communism. 　The basic reason for the support that might be rendered to him is because of that fact, because the interests of the United States of America coincide with anyone who is opposed to communism. It doesn't necessarily mean that we approve of everything he sayes or does. But it does mean that he assists us in our resistance to this world menace; and that any choice between him and communism would naturally resolve in his favor. 　The reason that these people would support him as a symbol is because of that basic fact, Senator. 　Senator Kefauver. I think it is very important to have your view on that in the record, and appreciate it. 　General MacArthur. We ourselves, Senator, for many, many years completely supported him; all during the war against Japan we fought alongside of him. He was a trusted, respected ally. There was nothing in his Government that was different then than what it was when he passed into defeat. We supported him completely then., We supported him largely because his interests were parallel to our own. And if we support him now, it should be for the same reason--- because his interests happen to be parallel to our own. And those interests are to stop the spread of this imperialistic totalitarianism, to stop the concept that Asia shall be dragged down and revert again to slavery. 　Senator Kefauver. Yes, I know, of course, that we supported him, General MacArthur, but in this country we have had a good deal of debate and some statements to the effect that one reason why he lost in the effort, that it was thought at least some of the other people of Asia did not support him; that while he was against communism, still his own government was not too clean, and they had lost considerable confidence in the leadership of Chiang Kai-shek throughout Asia as evidenced by the fact that he had lost the battle and he did not truly represent the Asiatic people any longer, but as I have stated I think you answered that fairly fully. 　General MacArthur. In great international decisions, if they are to be based upon the details of corruption in government, Senator, there would be few countries that would pass unscathed. 　Senator Kefauver. Well, do you think that the Chiang government is better now than it was when he was driven from the mainland? 　 （１６年６月号２３０ページ） PRESENT SITUATION IN FORMOSA 　General MacArthur. I superficially went through Formosa. I was surprised at the contentment I found there. 　I found that the people were enjoying a standard of living which quite comparable to what it was before the war. I found a financial system which at that time was about as sound as anything in the Far East except Japan. I found representative government being practiced. 　In one legislative group I went into, I found of the 21 people there were 19 elected Formosans. I went into their court. I found a judicial system which I though was better than a great many of the other countries in Asia. 　I went into their schools. I found that their primary instruction was fully on a standard with what was prevalent in the Far East. I was surprised. 　I found many things that I could criticize, too, but I believe sincerely that the standard of government that he is setting in Formosa compares favorably with many of the democracies of the world. 　Senator Kefauver. Just two other questions, General MacArthur. 　General MacArthur. I want to call attention too, Senator, to the basic theme that runs through your queries, and it is to this effect: that our own Government still recognizes the Generalissimo. He still has all of the rights and privileges of being a member of the international comity of nations.